# WAR ON IRAN: Afshin Rattansi Challenges Obama’s Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Joel Rubin

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Published: 2026-03-30T18:25:55+00:00
Episode link: https://goingunderground.castos.com/episodes/war-on-iran-afshin-rattansi-challenges-obamas-deputy-assistant-secretary-of-state-joel-rubin
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On this episode of Going Underground, we speak to Joel Rubin, Barack Obama’s Deputy Assistant Secretary of State. In a heated interview, Afshin Rattansi challenges him on his support for Donald Trump’s and Benjamin Netanyahu’s war on Iran and all of the justifications for it; ranging from Iran’s nuclear program, human rights, ballistic missile program, the failed negotiations with the United States, alleged corruption, and the underlying arguable hypocrisy behind the US’ foreign policy.

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