# Conversion — Why would anyone move from disbelief to belief?

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Podcast: [God Forbid](https://stenobird.com/podcast/god-forbid-567088)
Published: 2026-02-27T02:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/godforbid/god-forbid/106341086
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Why would you trade the visible for the invisible? And experts believe in the census later this year – for the first time ever - those ticking “no religion” will surpass Christians. And it’s happening across the global north - even the US – where 95% believed in something 30 years ago – today, nearly 1-in-3 American’s say they’re atheist or agnostic or no religion in particular. So why in this sea of secularism would some swim against the current? People raised without faith, who find themselves drawn to prayer, or ritual, or surrender to the unseen? To the disbeliever it can look madness. Or maybe in a world of clicks and content the hunger for sacred silence makes more sense than we think. GUESTS: ​Tanya Luhrmann, Professor of Anthropology at Stanford University and author of “How God Becomes Real: Kindling the Presence of Invisible Others” Kelsey Osgood, a journalist, a convert to orthodox Judaism, and the author of “Godstruck - Seven Women's Unexpected Journeys to Religious Conversion” Abdullah Kunde is a medical doctor a convert to Islam, and Founder and President of the Muslim Debate Initiative Australia.

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