# Addiction, God, and the origin of the twelve steps

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Podcast: [God Forbid](https://stenobird.com/podcast/god-forbid-567088)
Published: 2026-05-01T03:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/godforbid/god-forbid/106556876
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## Resource

Since the Stone Age we’ve used, and abused, drugs and alcohol. And some cultures believed their mood-altering effects brought you closer to God. But if you go to an Alcoholics Anonymous or AA meeting today, you’ll be told that getting closer to God means getting away from the drink. AA also welcomes atheists, of course, as the only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. But as part of the program, surrendering to a higher power is essential. Not necessarily God, but something outside of the bondage of self. But why does the twelve step program work brilliantly for some — and fail miserably for others? And what are the spiritual roots of the program? And it's not just alcoholism, there are twelve step programs for gamblers, social media and sex addicts, also overeaters and clutterers anonymous. GUESTS: Joanna Thyer , Multi-Faith Chaplaincy Coordinator at the University of Technology Sydney. She's also author of 12 Steps to Spiritual Freedom - Understanding the Christian Roots of Twelve Step Programs, and Steps to Life. Melinda Lake , psychologist and co-founder & CEO of Australian Recovery Centres in Northern NSW. She's also worked with AABCAP on Addiction in Buddhism and Psychotherapy. Amber Rules , Clinical psychotherapist and Director of Sydney Addictions Recovery in Sydney's inner west.

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