# How Do We Defend Ourselves?

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Podcast: [Gloves Off](https://stenobird.com/podcast/gloves-off-7375213)
Published: 2025-07-22T07:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://shows.acast.com/gloves-off/episodes/how-do-we-defend-ourselves
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For most countries, the military is key to national identity. But Canada's identity has been tied to military contributions to the global order and peacekeeping. Now that's all changed. The world is heating. The North is thawing. The South is melting. How do we defend Canada and not get overtaken? Stephen Marche heads to the Arctic with Canadian Ranger Neil Kigutaq and speaks with Retired Major General Scott Clancy and Finnish security expert Matti Pesu about how Canada can build up its military and what a whole-of-society defence approach looks like. With military apathy at home and growing instability abroad, it’s time to ask: What will it take for Canadians to finally take our defence seriously?  Featuring ( in order of appearance ): MCpl Neil Kigutaq , Major General (ret) Scott Clancy & Matti Pesu Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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