# The President vs the Pope: How Trump's 'holy war' is stoking old rivalries

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Podcast: [Global Roaming with Geraldine Doogue and Hamish Macdonald](https://stenobird.com/podcast/global-roaming-with-geraldine-doogue-and-hamish-macdonald-6755533)
Published: 2026-04-21T01:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/global-roaming/trumps-holy-war-divide-between-protestant-and-catholic/106524252
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Duration seconds: 1746

## Resource

Trump's AI-generated image of himself as the Pope has drawn harsh criticism. He also called the Pope “WEAK on Crime, and terrible for Foreign Policy,” in a Truth Social post. What does Trump gain from these bizarre allusions to Christianity? Are MAGA’s Christian nationalists tearing open long held wounds between the Catholic and Protestant faith in the United States? Hamish Macdonald and guest presenter Waleed Aly dive into whether Trump's antics are driving away Catholics as the the mid-term elections approach. Guest: Elizabeth Bruenig , staff writer at The Atlantic. ------------ Get in touch: We'd love to hear from you! Email us at global.roaming@abc.net.au Find all episodes of Global Roaming now via the ABC Listen App or wherever you get your podcasts.

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