# The Alliance | Does Australia Still Need America? John Howard on Trump, ANZUS and AUKUS

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Podcast: [Global Roaming with Geraldine Doogue and Hamish Macdonald](https://stenobird.com/podcast/global-roaming-with-geraldine-doogue-and-hamish-macdonald-6755533)
Published: 2026-08-31T01:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/global-roaming/the-alliance-does-australia-still-need-america-/107025082
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## Resource

In a special series this week, Global Roaming is checking the use-by date on our relationship with the U.S. Signed on 1st September 1951, the ANZUS treaty has been the lynch-pin of Australia's security and foreign policy. As we approach the 75th anniversary of the alliance, it is perhaps more challenged and questioned than ever before; Can Australia trust the U.S? Is the U.S a good ally? Are our interests and values aligned? In the first episode of The Alliance, Hamish McDonald and Geraldine Doogue put these questions to John Howard, the only Australian prime minister ever to invoke it. Howard explains how the decision to invoke ANZUS after the September 11 terror attacks came together on the flight home from Washington, defends AUKUS as a direct outgrowth of that loyalty, and repeats his on-the-record criticism of Donald Trump's refusal to concede the 2020 election. Plus, how much of the ANZUS treaty is based on fear of China? John Howard weighs in, comparing the China of Jiang Zemin with what he calls the more "aggressive and disruptive" China of Xi Jinping.Guest: former Australian prime minister John HowardComing up on The Alliance: Former prime minister and US ambassador Kevin Rudd; historians Timothy Lynch and Michael Wesley; MP and former military officer Andrew Hastie; and former White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci.Get in touch: We'd love to hear from you! Email us at global.roaming@abc.net.au Find all the episodes of Global Roaming now via the ABC Listen App or wherever you get your podcasts.

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