# Malcolm Turnbull and Richard Marles on AUKUS

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Published: 2026-06-09T01:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/global-roaming/global-roaming-malcolm-turnbull-richard-marles-aukus-rebroadcast/106704188
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## Resource

Former Prime Minister Paul Keating has said of AUKUS that "we don't need to be a pair of shoes hanging out of America's backside". Is that a fair characterisation of Australia's position vis a vis AUKUS? Are we getting the short end of the stick with this deal, and sacrificing our sovereignty to boot? This episode originally broadcast on December 20, 2024 as part of our 6-part AUKUS Investigated series GUESTS: Sam Roggeveen - Director of the Lowy Institute’s International Security Program. He is the author of The Echidna Strategy: Australia’s Search for Power and Peace Malcolm Turnbull - 29th Prime Minister of Australia 2015-2018. Richard Marles - the Deputy Prime Minister of Australia, Minister for Defence and the Federal Member for Corio. GET IN TOUCH: We'd love to hear from you! Email us at global.roaming@abc.net.au

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