# Does AUKUS make more sense (or less) in a conflicted world?

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Podcast: [Global Roaming with Geraldine Doogue and Hamish Macdonald](https://stenobird.com/podcast/global-roaming-with-geraldine-doogue-and-hamish-macdonald-6755533)
Published: 2026-05-22T01:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/global-roaming/global-roaming-varghese-aukus-military-industry-australia-us/106643178
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## Resource

AUKUS has a confidence problem. In a bid to reassure industry over the slow pace of AUKUS, the Australian and US governments are set to announce future collaborations under Pillar Two of the deal, with unmanned underwater vehicles top of the list. But industry aside, what about the heavy lifting to be done in building public confidence?

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