# Ep. 356: David Allen and Justin Hale

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Podcast: [Getting Things Done](https://stenobird.com/podcast/getting-things-done-743022)
Published: 2026-04-01T05:12:00+00:00
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## Resource

David Allen talks with GTD trainer Justin Hale about his journey with GTD. Justin notes that the journey includes cultivating self-awareness about our habits. He emphasizes the importance of deliberate practice to change behaviors. More than a set of hacks, he considers GTD to be a complete system.

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