# How are theatre education and gamification related? | Gersom de Koning

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Published: 2026-07-22T07:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

On this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Mason Pashia sits down with Gersom de Koning to explore theater education as a transformative practice. Their conversation examines how drama builds confidence, collaboration, leadership, and transferable skills while also offering a powerful model for gamification, exploration, and learning through productive failure. From arts integration and technical theater to the future of live performance in an AI world, this episode highlights why theater belongs at the center of meaningful learning. Outline (0:00) Introduction & Background (2:01) Gersem's Journey into Theater (5:41) What Makes Great Theater Education (13:40) Drama, Gamification & Learning (26:03) Failure, Collaboration & Leadership (40:32) The Future of Theater & Drama Education Links Read the full blog here LinkedIn Gersom de Koning Official Site Proper Job Gradcast Episode 19 Creatively Christian: The Creative Power of Limitations

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