# Are Framing and Storytelling Our Next Steps in Education Reform? | Nat Kendall-Taylor

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Podcast: [Getting Smart Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/getting-smart-podcast-3462)
Published: 2026-02-25T08:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

In the latest episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Mason Pashia sits down with Nat Kendall-Taylor, CEO of Frameworks Institute, to explore the critical role of narrative in education reform. They discuss how framing and storytelling can combat fatalism, foster engagement, and create systemic change in education. Together, they dive into the challenges of building cohesive education narratives, the importance of youth-led movements, and the potential of shifting education's focus from future preparation to fostering community and well-being in the present. Tune in to learn how innovative messaging can shape the future of learning and inspire action. Outline (00:12) Introduction & Framework Institute (08:35) The Education Narrative Challenge (10:58) Understanding Cultural Mindsets (16:15) Narrative Strategy & Movements (36:33) Reimagining Education's Purpose (44:21) Vision for Transformed Education Links Watch the full video here LinkedIn Frame Works Institute The 74: We Keep Rolling Out Good Ideas Without the Story. That's Why They Stall

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