# The One Where We Geek Out on Vibe Coding with Jean-Mark Wright

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Podcast: [Geeking Out with Adriana Villela](https://stenobird.com/podcast/geeking-out-with-adriana-villela-6597463)
Published: 2026-04-14T04:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Adriana is joined by fellow Torontonian Jean-Mark Wright. They discuss software development in the age of AI, and what it means to be AI fluent. Should juniors learn things from first principles? Should they learn how to code and debug without the help of AI to gain core troubleshooting software development and debugging experience? Can it be a mix? Jean-Mark shares his thoughts on cultivating junior engineers into senior engineers, and how those of us who grew up pre-AI can learn from those who are part of the AI-native generation.

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