# Garden of Thought E.385 Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

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Podcast: [Garden of Thought](https://stenobird.com/podcast/garden-of-thought-3714659)
Published: 2026-06-23T13:50:02+00:00
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## Resource

White Chocolate is neither of those things. But he is my former cohost on the Evolve podcast I used to do. He's also a really interesting, smart and funny guy. And he picked Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. A story that never quite felt like a happy little children's story. We explore that and I introduce many Garden meanders.

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