# Defense in Depth: Layered Strategies Against AI Risk (with Li-Lian Ang)

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Podcast: [Future of Life Institute Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/future-of-life-institute-podcast-1112471)
Published: 2026-04-02T19:48:38+00:00
Episode link: https://share.transistor.fm/s/e44300de
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## Resource

Li-Lian Ang is a team member at Blue Dot Impact. She joins the podcast to discuss how society can build a workforce to protect humanity from AI risks. The conversation covers engineered pandemics, AI-enabled cyber attacks, job loss and disempowerment, and power concentration in firms or AI systems. We also examine Blue Dot's defense-in-depth framework and how individuals can navigate rapid, uncertain AI progress. LINKS: Li-Lian Ang personal site Blue Dot Impact organization site CHAPTERS: (00:00) Episode Preview (00:48) Blue dot beginnings (03:04) Evolving AI risk concerns (06:20) AI agents in cyber (15:52) Gradual disempowerment and jobs (23:26) Aligning AI with humans (29:08) Power concentration and misuse (34:52) Influencing frontier AI labs (43:05) Uncertain timelines and strategy (50:18) Writing, AI, and action PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing SOCIAL LINKS: Website: https://podcast.futureoflife.org Twitter (FLI): https://x.com/FLI_org Twitter (Gus): https://x.com/gusdocker LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/future-of-life-institute/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-rCCy3FQ-GItDimSR9lhzw/ Apple: https://geo.itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/id1170991978 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2Op1WO3gwVwCrYHg4eoGyP

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