# Can AI Do Our Alignment Homework? (with Ryan Kidd)

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Podcast: [Future of Life Institute Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/future-of-life-institute-podcast-1112471)
Published: 2026-02-06T11:34:23+00:00
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## Resource

Ryan Kidd is a co-executive director at MATS. This episode is a cross-post from "The Cognitive Revolution", hosted by Nathan Labenz. In this conversation, they discuss AGI timelines, model deception risks, and whether safety work can avoid boosting capabilities. Ryan outlines MATS research tracks, key researcher archetypes, hiring needs, and advice for applicants considering a career in AI safety. Learn more about Ryan's work and MATS at: https://matsprogram.org CHAPTERS: (00:00) Episode Preview (00:20) Introductions and AGI timelines (10:13) Deception, values, and control (23:20) Dual use and alignment (32:22) Frontier labs and governance (44:12) MATS tracks and mentors (58:14) Talent archetypes and demand (01:12:30) Applicant profiles and selection (01:20:04) Applications, breadth, and growth (01:29:44) Careers, resources, and ideas (01:45:49) Final thanks and wrap PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing SOCIAL LINKS: Website: https://podcast.futureoflife.org Twitter (FLI): https://x.com/FLI_org Twitter (Gus): https://x.com/gusdocker LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/future-of-life-institute/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-rCCy3FQ-GItDimSR9lhzw/ Apple: https://geo.itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/id1170991978 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2Op1WO3gwVwCrYHg4eoGyP

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