# Podcasters Unite! Thinking about systemic change with Nathalie Nahai, Amit Paul, and Manda Scott

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Podcast: [Future Learning Design Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/future-learning-design-podcast-2962232)
Published: 2026-07-04T22:01:00+00:00
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## Resource

What are we learning about systemic change? There are lots of people talking about why we need it, climate and nature emergencies, exponential tech youth mental health crises etc. but how much is it actually happening? By definition, it’s not something that just happens in the education system, so I was really happy to gather together this week with three amazing podcasters and beautiful people who are coming at these same questions from many lenses, business, Thrutopian novel-writing, psychology, technology, economics, regenerative farming, political changemaking, architecture. Like me, they get to speak to some of the most amazing and insightful people in all of these fields and more, so I thought it would be a great idea to get together to see what we are learning collectively. Manda Scott is the host of the Accidental Gods podcast and has appeared on this channel a couple of times previously, Nathalie Nahai hosts her eponymous In Conversation podcast, and Amit Paul hosts the fabulous World of Wisdom podcast . Amit Paul is a former popstar and CEO of green chemicals company Paxymer AB turned systems dancer. No, he's co-founder of Innrwrks and host of World of Wisdom podcast , exploring how business can create a future we want for our kids. Amit hosts explorative conversations, facilitates group work and advices and supports companies navigating the current ecological, social and technological paradigm shifts. Nathalie Nahai is an author, keynote speaker and host of the Nathalie Nahai in Conversation podcast enquires into our relationship with one another, with technology and with the living world. She’s author of the international best-sellers Webs Of Influence: The Psychology of Online Persuasion and, more recently, Business Unusual: Values, Uncertainty and the Psy…

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