# Mentalization-Based Treatment for Borderline Personality Disorder with Robert Drozek

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Podcast: [From Borderline to Beautiful: Hope and Help for BPD with Rose Skeeters, MA, LPC, PN2](https://stenobird.com/podcast/from-borderline-to-beautiful-hope-and-help-for-bpd-with-rose-skeeters-ma-lpc-pn2-795439)
Published: 2026-06-24T01:02:08+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode, Rose Skeeters welcomes Bob Drozek, a leading expert in mentalization-based treatment (MBT), to discuss how understanding and improving mentalizing can support hope and recovery from borderline personality disorder (BPD). Listeners will gain insights into the foundational concepts of MBT and practical strategies for fostering better emotional and relational health. Key topics: ​Mentalization explained: Accessing, reflecting, and understanding mental states in oneself and others (00:00:41) ​The importance of mentalization in everyday life and therapy (00:55:27) ​How trauma, rejection, and intense emotions disrupt mentalizing abilities (01:26:00) ​The role of psychical equivalence mode—certainty about negative self-beliefs— in BPD (05:03:00) ​Differences between skills-based therapies like DBT and relational, reflective approaches like MBT (13:42:00) ​The structure of MBT treatment: Formulation, collaborative development, and tailored strategies (16:19:00) ​Tools to assess and enhance self-awareness, including worksheets for identifying mentalizing strengths and vulnerabilities (19:00:00) ​The certainty toolkit and overcoming rigid beliefs about oneself and others (21:16:00) ​Building empathy: Overcoming empathic deficits related to shame and self-criticism (31:00:00) ​Navigating unstable self-identity through perspective-taking and understanding emotional validation (38:06:00) ​Success stories of MBT applying to real-world recovery, reducing self-harm, and improving relationships (45:30:00) Resources & Links Purchase Mentalization Workbook here: https://a.co/d/0dIkE170 Access Facebook group here: https://www.facebook.com/MentalizationBook Worksheets: https://global.oup.com/booksites/content/9780198916857/ Contact Bob Drozek here: rdrozek@mclean.harvard.e…

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