# AltHR Shift | A Real Talk on Managers in Change with Ali Merchant

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Published: 2026-06-22T09:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

We're celebrating PFN's birthday by shining a light on the partners who have been part of our journey toward people-first leadership, meaningful work, and purpose-driven impact. This special feature from The Shift with Mindy Honcoop and Marnie Robbins captures the heart of their work and the shared mission that brings us together. Enjoy! — Change is coming fast, and managers are feeling every ounce of it. Marnie and Mindy sit down with Ali Merchant, founder of All-In Manager and author of "The All-In Manager", to unpack what leaders are missing in the rush toward AI transformation. Ali brings a grounded, people-first perspective on why managers cannot keep being treated as the catch-all solution for engagement, transformation, culture, and performance without meaningful support. Together, they explore why AI adoption is not just a tech rollout, but a change management and culture challenge. From "modeling over mandates" to psychological safety, shadow AI, blameless retrospectives, and the power of discernment, this conversation is a practical reminder that the future of work still depends on deeply human leadership. Additional Resources: Connect with Mindy on LinkedIn Connect with Marnie on LinkedIn Learn more about AltHR Listen to The Shift wherever you get your podcasts! Subscribe to the PFN YouTube Channel for daily leadership insights! Follow PeopleForward Network on LinkedIn Learn more about PeopleForward Network Key Takeaways: Managers need support, not more pressure. AI transformation requires trust and dialogue. Model AI adoption before mandating it. Psychological safety fuels experimentation and learning. Discernment is the new leadership superpower.

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