# Mike Roeth, NACFE | The Cost of the Messy Middle

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Published: 2026-06-11T11:51:48+00:00
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## Resource

The freight industry’s transition to alternative power is firmly in the “messy middle” This week, Chris Caplice is joined by Mike Roeth, Executive Director of the North American Council for Freight Efficiency, to unpack what that actually means for carriers, shippers, and the broader supply chain. Mike has been leading NACFE since its early days and brings insights from years of work plus the latest “Run on Less” demonstration and cost analysis on how fleets are navigating this evolving landscape. In this conversation, they cover: Why diesel, BEV, hydrogen, natural gas, and biodiesel will continue to coexist Where battery electric vehicles are gaining traction first (regional + drayage) What NACFE’s latest “Run on Less” data reveals about real-world adoption Why there’s no single “winner” in the near-term transition How carriers and shippers can make practical decisions amid uncertainty If you’re trying to make sense of where freight energy is headed next, this one’s worth a listen. For previous episodes and to subscribe to our newsletter, visit: dat.com/podcast/freightvine

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