# Sal and Mark - EP17

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Podcast: [Free Talk Live](https://stenobird.com/podcast/free-talk-live-556634)
Published: 2026-08-21T12:00:01+00:00
Episode link: https://soundcloud.com/freetalklive/samep17
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Duration seconds: 9888

## Resource

Patri Friedman joins Sal and Mark this week for a wide ranging conversation about the Free Cities movement, charter cities, and why special autonomous zones may be the most practical path to freedom in the modern world. Patri shares why he moved on from seasteading, what is happening with zones like Prospera around the world, and why Africa is emerging as the most exciting frontier for this kind of legal innovation. The guys also cover the forty trillion dollar US debt, the futility of voting versus the power of counter economics, the failures of the healthcare system and market based alternatives, and why agorism may be the most American approach to freedom. Note that David Friedman was originally scheduled but due to a scheduling mix up only Patri joined this episode. Find Patri Friedman on X at Patrissimo This episode is brought to you by SALT Lending, where you can access the value of your cryptocurrency without selling it. For more information email Mark at SALT@MarkEdge.org Follow Mark at x.com/MarkEdgeShow | Sal at x.com/SalMayweather #SalandMark #MarkEdgeShow #MarkEdge #SalTheAgorist #SallyMayweather #FreeTalkLive #PatriFriedman #CharterCities #FreeCities #Agorism #Bitcoin #CakeWallet #Dash #PirateChain #QuaiNetwork #Firo #Trocador #SaltLending #ThorChain #EdgeWallet #Zano #SilverBitz Sign the Petition: FreeIanNow.org FreeTalkLive.com

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