# Love in the Time of War

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Podcast: [Free State with Joe Brolly and Dion Fanning](https://stenobird.com/podcast/free-state-with-joe-brolly-and-dion-fanning-6213217)
Published: 2026-05-30T00:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://freestatepodcast.com
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## Resource

Sally Hayden is a fearless journalist. She has covered war and conflict around the world. She lives in Lebanon where, early in her new book, she notes that ‘in the past fortnight, Israel has killed more than one thousand people’. Her book opens with a quote from Elon Musk: ‘The fundamental weakness of Western civilisation is empathy.’ On Free State today Sally Hayden explains her journey to disprove Musk’s claim. ‘I encounter love daily - more than fury, revenge, greed or abuses of power.’ She writes about how love endures in the middle of genocide and how the powerful use it, as well as everything else, as a weapon against humanity. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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