# 168 - Vikram Bharati: At the Intersection of Free Cities & Network States

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Podcast: [Free Cities Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/free-cities-podcast-5840331)
Published: 2026-02-06T06:00:26+00:00
Episode link: https://fountain.fm/episode/XU4TuLuElDrpEQJkK3Mj
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“The free cities community seems very much more buttoned up and more pragmatic – real estate, free cities, development, SEZs. You need lawyers, you need bankers. And then the network state community, there’s a lot more dreamers, young dreamers who want to do pop-up cities. But there’s a convergence in between where you have a group of people who are a bit of both. And I think that middle group of people are people that are going to do some very interesting things.” - Timothy Allen speaks with Vikram Bharati. Vikram is the founder of Draper Nation, a governance venture lab focused on experimenting with new political and institutional models across both physical and digital realms. Vikram’s background spans venture capital, startup ecosystems, and long-running work with Tim Draper, with a particular focus on digital governance, networked communities, and cloud-based public services. The conversation moves from personal history, including Vikram’s roots in Nagaland and Timothy’s formative experiences across Northeast India, into a broader discussion of tribal governance, decentralization, and how small-scale systems resolve conflict and maintain cohesion. These lived examples become a lens for questioning democracy at scale and exploring why experimentation, rather than reform, is the primary driver of governance improvement. From there, the discussion connects Free Cities and Network States as complementary experiments: Free Cities operating on the ground through real estate, law, and host-state agreements, and Network States operating in the cloud through digital coordination and identity. Drawing on examples from China’s Special Economic Zones, private cities, Bitcoin, and Draper Nation’s digital nation experiments, the episode argues that the most meaningful governanc…

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