# Bonus Episode — Building Smarter, Not Harder: Using AI to Eliminate Fraud’s Busy Work with Ben Graf

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Podcast: [Fraud Forward](https://stenobird.com/podcast/fraud-forward-6896520)
Published: 2025-12-12T08:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.sardine.ai/media/fraud-forward
Audio file: https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/3dd060ca-bb1a-4f34-8f19-fac1f4c729cd.mp3
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Duration seconds: 1860

## Resource

This is a legacy episode from Banking on Fraudology, originally published on December 12, 2025. In this episode of Fraud Forward (formerly Banking on Fraudology), Hailey Windham talks with Ben Graf, a self-taught AI expert in the neobank space. The conversation dives into what it really looks like to learn AI from the ground up, emphasizing that the future of fraud prevention isn't about replacing people, but empowering them through technology.

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