# The Presumption of Innocence - Episode 76

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Podcast: [Fox Rothschild: The Presumption of Innocence](https://stenobird.com/podcast/fox-rothschild-the-presumption-of-innocence-7819162)
Published: 2026-01-13T17:43:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.foxrothschild.com/publications/the-presumption-of-innocence-podcast-series
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## Resource

Episode 76 Automation With Expert Oversight: The Future of Forensic Accounting Dive into how technology is transforming forensic accounting, and why expert review remains an essential safeguard against blind reliance on automation. Chris Ekimoff, an investigations leader at Withum who works at the intersection of financial investigations, technology and risk management, joins host Matt Adams to unpack the benefits and limitations of technology. In their conversation, Chris draws parallels between AI’s aggregation and analysis and Excel’s ability to correctly add up numbers and columns, and explains why the input of a human expert — with their skills, knowledge, education, experience and training — remains critical to explaining the outputs of both technologies, particularly in the courtroom.

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