# Ex-Uber AI Safety Lead: Your Home Is Already Exposed. Almost Nobody Knows It | Ep. 419 with John Lunsford Founder of Tethral

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Podcast: [Founder's Story](https://stenobird.com/podcast/founder-s-story-648906)
Published: 2026-07-13T18:57:57+00:00
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Daniel Robbins sits down with John Lunsford, founder of Tethral, to explore one of the most overlooked questions in AI: what happens when agents start communicating with the machines around us? John breaks down why IoT has disappointed for decades, why AI agents could finally make connected devices useful, and why that also introduces serious safety and security risks inside the home. From Uber Teens to anthropology, monarch butterflies, AI instability, and the future of adaptive environments, John explains why the next generation of technology must fit human behavior instead of forcing humans to fit the technology.

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