# 003. Facing Humanity's Hidden Capacity for Evil ft. Gary Haugen

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Podcast: [Formation with John Ortberg](https://stenobird.com/podcast/formation-with-john-ortberg-7804940)
Published: 2026-05-06T05:00:00+00:00
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What does it take to do hard things for a long time without being broken by them? Gary Haugen is the founder and CEO of International Justice Mission, a global organization that protects the poor from violence throughout the developing world. He joins John for a conversation about evil, the human capacity for violence, and why the people most serious about changing the world may be the ones most in need of spiritual formation. AMA Opportunity: Leave us a review ahead of our launch for a chan...

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