# Tough Talks: How to Say the Hard Stuff with Fiona Pakoa and Leilanie Pakoa

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Podcast: [FLPA TALKS: A Family Law Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/flpa-talks-a-family-law-podcast-7029604)
Published: 2026-03-24T06:39:11+00:00
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Duration seconds: 2833

## Resource

Difficult conversations are part of everyday practice. Whether it’s delivering advice a client may not want to hear, raising concerns with a colleague, or setting boundaries in the workplace, how we approach these moments can make a significant difference to both outcomes and relationships. In this episode of FLPA Talks, Emily Ownsworth is joined by Leilanie Pakoa, sport psychologist at Surge (Performance and Wellbeing), and Fiona Pakoa, mentor and coach. Together, they explore why difficult conversations feel so uncomfortable, the emotional and psychological factors behind them, and practical ways to prepare for and navigate these conversations with greater confidence and self-awareness. Listen now via the FLPA website or your favourite podcast platform. #FLPATalks #FamilyLaw #LegalProfession #ProfessionalDevelopment #CommunicationSkills

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