# Do You Walk Away or Fight for Change?

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Podcast: [Firefighter Nation Podcast Network’s](https://stenobird.com/podcast/firefighter-nation-podcast-network-s-7114247)
Published: 2026-07-24T12:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://firefighternationpodcastnetwork.podbean.com/e/do-you-walk-away-or-fight-for-change/
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Duration seconds: 4660

## Resource

Recorded at the Firemanship Conference in Aurora, IL, this episode of The Revolutionaries features James Nisbet, Clackamas (OR) Fire lieutenant, Brothers in Battle instructor, and engine-ops educator. Nisbet walks through building a high-performing engine culture, detailing his path from explorer to lieutenant. The conversation covers the engine manual and nozzle selection and explores the challenges of introducing new tactics to veteran crews. The discussion also addresses when to stay and fight for change and when it's time to move departments.

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