# The stigma of not “tough” enough

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Podcast: [Fire Fighting in Canada: The Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/fire-fighting-in-canada-the-podcast-4427714)
Published: 2024-02-12T13:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://fire-fighting-in-canada.captivate.fm
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## Resource

Toronto Fire Chief Matthew Pegg and Michael Landsberg, founder of Sick Not Weak, sat down with Ret. Fire Chief Tom DeSorcy to discuss the value of talking about mental health without shame, stigma, and the return on investment when leaders open up about mental wellbeing and resiliency. 

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