# The Torturous Search for the Ideal Society: Utopias and Their Civilizational Fall-Out [The Pugcast]

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Podcast: [Fight Laugh Feast USA](https://stenobird.com/podcast/fight-laugh-feast-usa-5063827)
Published: 2026-08-31T08:19:00+00:00
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## Resource

This week’s episode looks at a variety of social and ethical visions that aim for the perfect society or state of being through, especially in the West. These visions, some of which have religious and even Christian roots, end up bracketing out a full Christian view of transcendence and replace it with one or another type of reality immanent in nature or the human or in human invention alone. The result has been anything but utopia!   Support the Theology Pugcast on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thetheologypugcast?fbclid=IwAR17UHhfzjphO52C_kkZfursA_C784t0ldFix0wyB4fd-YOJpmOQ3dyqGf8   Learn more about First Pres. Battle Ground: https://www.solochristo.org/   Follow Glenn Sunshine on Substack: https://substack.com/@glennsunshine   Connect with WileyCraft Productions: https://wileycraftproductions.com/

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