# Drugs And Therapy w/ Cameron English [Waterbreak]

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Published: 2026-09-16T11:00:00+00:00
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Drugs And Therapy w/ Cameron English | Waterbreak Ep. [EPISODE #] 💦 IN THIS EPISODE: Trump signed an executive order fast-tracking psychedelic research, RFK Jr. is pushing it hard, and Calley Means is calling it the miracle "MAHA moms" have been waiting for. So Gabe sits down (solo this week — Annie's out) with Cameron English, Executive VP of the American Council on Science and Health, to pressure-test the hype against the actual data — then follows it straight into medical marijuana, organic food myths, and why "natural" doesn't automatically mean "true." A science guy who, in Gabe's words, "doesn't hurt your feelings" — with the receipts to back it up. ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 00:00 – Sponsor: Kings Ridge Elderberry Farm (code WB10 for 10% off at TKRfarm.com) 00:46 – Welcome back to Waterbreak (Annie's out this week) 01:01 – Save the date: Fight Laugh Feast Conference, Oct 1–3, Franklin, TN 01:35 – Setting up today's topic: tying back to CrossPolitic's "Pharmaceutical Gods" documentary 02:22 – Trump's April 2026 executive order on psychedelics research 03:05 – The Calley Means clip: psychedelics as a "one-time" MAHA-mom miracle 04:32 – Guest intro: Cameron English, EVP of the American Council on Science and Health 05:18 – Cameron's first reaction to the administration's psychedelics push 06:49 – On trusting science post-COVID: why skepticism is fair, but evidence still matters 09:49 – Medicalization as a "stepping stone" — the pattern behind opioids, marijuana, and now psychedelics 14:07 – What actually counts as a "psychedelic"? Psilocybin, ibogaine, MDMA, ketamine 16:00 – The case for psychedelics as depression/PTSD treatment — and the "well, why not let them try" argu…

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