# 209. Same Mission, Different Paths: How Appointees and Career Feds Can Work Together

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Podcast: [FedUpward Podcast - Tips for Federal Government Employees](https://stenobird.com/podcast/fedupward-podcast-tips-for-federal-government-employees-624290)
Published: 2025-06-13T13:02:00+00:00
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## Resource

Former Acting Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence & Security Milancy Harris joins FedUpward at Globally's Shaping America's Next 25 Summit to talk candidly about her career across intelligence, counterterrorism, and policy roles—and what it really takes to lead in government today. From navigating bureaucracy to developing talent and fostering public-private understanding, Harris shares clear-eyed advice for federal employees, aspiring leaders, and those curious about working at the highest levels of national security. 00:49 – Meet Milancy Harris: From intel analyst to senior DoD leader 01:31 – What's broken? Bureaucracy and the roadblocks to good ideas 03:05 – Developing employees: Peer mentoring, training, and listening 05:00 – Podcasts and cross-agency training as growth tools 07:31 – Political appointees vs. career feds: Misconceptions & mindset 09:31 – The best leadership advice? Start with the human touch Don't miss this one if you're looking to grow your career in public service—or lead with more heart, strategy, and purpose. Helpful Resources: Follow Milancy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/milancy-harris/ www.fedupwardcoaching.com Connect with Love: LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/love-rutledge Facebook: facebook.com/fedupward

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