# 🤖 AI risks and rewards: My chat (+transcript) with AI researcher Miles Brundage

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Podcast: [Faster, Please! — The Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/faster-please-the-podcast-5630783)
Published: 2025-09-26T16:00:00+00:00
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My fellow pro-growth/progress/abundance Up Wingers, Artificial intelligence may prove to be one of the most transformative technologies in history, but like any tool, its immense power for good comes with a unique array of risks, both large and small. Today on Faster, Please! — The Podcast , I chat with Miles Brundage about extracting the most out of AI’s potential while mitigating harms. We discuss the evolving expectations for AI development and how to reconcile with the technology’s most daunting challenges. Brundage is an AI policy researcher. He is a non-resident fellow at the Institute for Progress , and formerly held a number of senior roles at OpenAI . He is also the author of his own Substack . In This Episode * Setting expectations (1:18) * Maximizing the benefits (7:21) * Recognizing the risks (13:23) * Pacing true progress (19:04) * Considering national security (21:39) * Grounds for optimism and pessimism (27:15) Below is a lightly edited transcript of our conversation. Setting expectations (1:18) It seems to me like there are multiple vibe shifts happening at different cadences and in different directions. Pethokoukis: Earlier this year I was moderating a discussion between an economist here at AEI and a CEO of a leading AI company, and when I asked each of them how AI might impact our lives, our economists said, ‘Well, I could imagine, for instance, a doctor’s productivity increasing because AI could accurately and deeply translate and transcribe an appointment with a patient in a way that’s far better than what’s currently available.” So that was his scenario. And then I asked the same question of the AI company CEO, who said, by contrast, “Well, I think within a decade, all human death will be optional thanks to AI-driven medical advances.” On that rat…

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