# #340 Steffen Cruz: Training AI Without Data Centres

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Podcast: [Eye On A.I.](https://stenobird.com/podcast/eye-on-ai)
Published: 2026-04-29T20:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

What if you could train a frontier AI model without building a single data centre? In this episode of Eye on AI, Craig Smith sits down with Steffen Cruz, co-founder and CTO of Macrocosmos, to explore a radical alternative to the way AI models are built today. Instead of billion-dollar GPU warehouses, Steffen is training large language models using idle compute from devices distributed around the world, coordinated through the Bittensor blockchain. Steffen breaks down why the centralised data centre model is heading toward a wall. Projects like Stargate and Colossus cost tens of billions of dollars, and as appetite for larger models grows, the economics simply stop making sense. He explains how distributed training flips this on its head, tapping into surplus energy, underutilised GPUs, and even consumer devices like Mac Minis to train models at a fraction of the cost. We also get into IOTA, Macrocosmos's flagship technology, an orchestration layer that takes compute nodes scattered across the globe and makes them act like a single supercomputer. No single device runs the full model. Instead, each one carries a small slice, a technique called model parallelism, and together they can train frontier-scale models that would otherwise be out of reach for startups, researchers, and enterprises. Finally, Steffen shares what he's building toward: 70 billion parameter models trained at 10 to 20 percent of centralised costs, a two-sided marketplace for compute, and a future where anyone with a spare GPU or Mac Mini can earn passive income while contributing to the democratisation of AI. Subscribe for more conversations with the people building the future of AI and emerging technology. Stay Updated: Craig Smith on X: https://x.com/craigss Eye on A.I. on X: https://x.com/EyeOn_AI…

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