# Listen Again: Hope is a Muscle with Nicholas Kristof

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Podcast: [Everything Happens with Kate Bowler](https://stenobird.com/podcast/everything-happens-with-kate-bowler-63034)
Published: 2026-07-14T07:30:00+00:00
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Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Nicholas Kristof understands how to hope—especially in the face of despair or disappointment. He has spent his life shining a light on global tragedies like the Tiananmen Square massacre or the genocide in Darfur. And yet, despite all the horrors he has born witness to, he maintains a sense of hard-won optimism. “Hope is a muscle,” he says, and one we can all learn to develop. In this live conversation, Kate and Nicholas discuss: How to maintain hope in the year ahead Nicholas’ best argument as to why this is the best time to be alive His strategies to seeing pain and courage up close over and over again Why our small actions matter (even when it feels like a drop in the ocean) If you liked this episode, you’ll love: Bryan Stevenson on justice in the face of unthinkable odds David Fajgenbaum on how hope pulls us forward Sarah Polley on why we should run toward what scares us This episode originally aired September 2024.

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