# Ep. 237: Grant Ginder: New Baby, New Book & Aging as a Gay Man | So Old, So Young

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Published: 2026-06-08T08:00:00+00:00
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Author Grant Ginder joins Zach to talk about the two newest arrivals in his life: his baby daughter Celia, born just days before this recording via surrogacy, and his sixth novel, So Old, So Young. Grant opens up about sleepless nights spent staring at his daughter, the surrogate who's become family, and how his Fort Greene household — husband Mac and very-curious dog Frankie — is adjusting. From there the conversation gets into the good stuff: why nobody should write a novel at 23 (unless you're Zadie Smith), what it feels like to "wake up at 40," and why millennials measure adulthood so differently than their parents did. Plus: getting tipsy on Watch What Happens Live, the four-bottles-of-wine train ride that inspired The People We Hate at Weddings, and where to catch Grant in P-Town this September. 📚 Grab So Old, So Young — https://www.grantginder.com 🏳️‍🌈 Catch Grant at East End Books in Provincetown this September, including an event with John Glenn for his queer Arthurian retelling The Lost Book of Lancelot.

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