# 172. Liberty as Independence -- John McGowan

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Podcast: [Everyday Anarchism](https://stenobird.com/podcast/everyday-anarchism-4260069)
Published: 2025-11-19T09:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

John McGowan joins me to discuss Liberty as Independence , Quentin Skinner's new book about the way that our ideals of liberty were formed in in 17th and 18th century debates. The book covers legendary figures, such as Hobbes, Milton, Locke, Swift, Paine, and Jefferson, as well as many lesser-known figures that they engaged with. For more from John McGowan, here's the link to his blog: https://jzmcgowan.com/public-intelligence-blog/ Finally, I'd like to apologize to Badger from The Wind in the Willows . In this episode, I repeatedly refer to him as "Mr. Badger." He is simply, as befits his status, Badger or The Badger. I regret the error.

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