# Advancing Decarbonization in Hard-to-Abate Sectors | ESG Decoded Podcast #183

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Podcast: [ESG Decoded Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/esg-decoded-podcast-3566053)
Published: 2026-01-20T13:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/esgdecoded/episodes/Advancing-Decarbonization-in-Hard-to-Abate-Sectors--ESG-Decoded-Podcast-183-e3cmqd0
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## Resource

In this episode, Erika Schiller talks with Andre de Fontaine , Managing Director at the Center for Green Market Activation (GMA), and David Prieto , ClimeCo’s VP of Sustainability Advisory, about how market mechanisms are accelerating decarbonization in hard-to-abate sectors. Andre explains how book-and-claim systems and demand aggregation are enabling companies to access low-carbon fuels and materials, especially when direct procurement isn’t available. David adds insights on the strategic benefits and risk considerations of these systems. During this episode, you will learn: • Why book-and-claim models are critical for scaling green markets • How procurement signals drive new technology investment • Where additionality and registries fit in emerging climate solutions • What sectors are most impacted—and what’s next for 2026 Don’t miss an episode—subscribe to ESG Decoded on your favorite podcast platform and follow us on social for the latest updates! Episode Resources: Center for Green Market Activation (GMA) - https://gmacenter.org/ Sustainable Concrete Buyers Alliance (SCoBA) - https://gmacenter.org/program/cement-concrete/ GMA | Chemicals - https://gmacenter.org/program/chemicals/ Sustainable Aviation Buyers Alliance (SABA) - https://flysaba.org/ SABA | Sustainable Aviation Buyers Alliance Launches Advanced, Next-Generation SAF Procurement - https://flysaba.org/2025/05/06/sustainable-aviation-buyers-alliance-launches-advanced-next-generation-saf-procurement/ SABA | Sustainability Framework for Sustainable Aviation Fuel (SAF) - https://flysaba.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/SABA-SAF-Sustainability-Framework-V3-3-25.pdf SABA | Atmospheric Benefit Principle Evaluation Tool - https://flysaba.org/atmospheric-benefit-principle-evaluation-tool/ Zero Emissions Maritime Bu…

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