# Beyond molecules: The rise of environmental commodities

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Podcast: [Energy Evolution](https://stenobird.com/podcast/energy-evolution-890919)
Published: 2026-05-27T17:28:00+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode, host Eklavya Gupte sits down with Marijn van Diessen , CEO of STX Group, one of the world's leading environmental commodity traders. The conversation explores Europe's strategic pivot toward domestic energy sources, the explosive growth potential of biomethane as a gas substitute, and the surge in demand for renewable certificates driven by AI data centers — alongside the challenge of creating liquid markets for products that exist only as digital attestations. Van Diessen explains both the parallels and distinctions between environmental and traditional energy trading. Like oil and gas, environmental commodities require logistics, storage and physical infrastructure. But unlike fossil fuels, they're far more sensitive to regulatory shifts — where a single policy change can trigger volatility as dramatic as any geopolitical shock.

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