# Animals in the Room – Melanie Challenger

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Podcast: [Emergence Magazine Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/emergence-magazine-podcast-579715)
Published: 2026-06-16T11:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://emergencemagazine.org/essay/animals-in-the-room/
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## Resource

How might our decision-making systems work differently if they were adapted to receive input from the more-than-human world? In this archive story, writer and ethicist Melanie Challenger examines the staggering expressive capacities of Earth's creatures, from the subtle vocalizations of turtles to the freckling of Humboldt squid. She urges us to act less as intermediaries and more as deep listeners to the voices around us. Pushing the idea further, she asks how we can expand our democratic processes to make room for the lives and interests of our animal kin. Read the essay. Photo by Annie Marie Musselman

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