# Ep.1604 - The Pull Plan & The Reference Class

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Podcast: [Elevate Construction](https://stenobird.com/podcast/elevate-construction-36348)
Published: 2026-05-15T09:05:00+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode, Jason explains why a pull plan alone is not enough to create reliable schedules. While pull planning is critical for collaboration, sequencing, and trade buy-in, it must always be balanced against historical project data, what Jason calls the "reference class." The key lesson: never let optimism override reality. Great pull plans combine collaboration with historical evidence. What you'll learn in this episode: Why CPM and rigid single-train Takt planning are both flawed extremes. What multi-train Takt planning actually means. How trades can flow together without forcing unnatural rhythms. What a "reference class" is and why it matters. Why pull plans must be validated against historical project data. How optimism and "rose-colored glasses" can derail schedules. Why historical throughput data should guide milestone commitments. Are you building schedules based only on opinions or grounding them in real production history? If you like the Elevate Construction podcast, please subscribe for free and you'll never miss an episode. And if you really like the Elevate Construction podcast, I'd appreciate you telling a friend (Maybe even two 😊). Also, here are links to our YouTube Channels: · Jason Schroeder YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4xpRYvrW5Op5Ckxs4vDGDg · LeanTakt YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/leanTakt · LeanSuper YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzQDevqQP19L4LePuqma3Fg/featured · LeanSurvey YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Ztn3okFhyB_3p5nmMKnsw

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