# Signals from the Deep: Data Bunkers, UN & the Future of Shipping with guest Øistein Jensen Chief Sustainability Officer Odfjell

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Podcast: [Elephants in the Boardroom](https://stenobird.com/podcast/elephants-in-the-boardroom-7203705)
Published: 2025-10-09T11:00:00+00:00
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Episode Overview Graeme Codrington (Johannesburg) and Dean Van Leeuwen (South of London) explore fresh “grey elephant” signals—from subterranean data centres and living with a >2°C world, to UN reform rumblings—then sit down with Øistein Jensen , Chief Sustainability Officer at Oddfjell , to unpack how a 110-year-old global chemical shipping company is tackling decarbonisation, supply-chain due diligence, and industry-wide collaboration. Key Topics Discussed Grey Elephants Radar Converging, high-impact forces post-COVID; a once-in-a-century transformation. Strategy lens: identify weak signals early; turn risk into opportunity. Subterranean Data Centres Old mines/bunkers reimagined as “underground data fortresses.” Strategic logic: protect critical data; manage cooling, power, and resilience. Side bet: cooling technology becomes a shovel-in-the-gold-rush play. Living with >2°C Move beyond “prevention only” to adaptation + resilience at scale. Practical mindset shift (as with COVID): learn to operate in new conditions. UN & Multipolarity Weak Signals Calls for African representation; scrutiny of Security Council veto power. Diplomatic flashpoints as indicators of a shifting geopolitical order. Boardroom takeaway: model tariff shocks, sanctions, supply-route rewiring. BANI World & Grey Elephants Today’s reality: Brittle, Anxious, Nonlinear, Incomprehensible . Build antifragile strategies before the stampede starts. The Quiz First military “drone” use: Austrian incendiary balloons over Venice (1849) . Interview — Øistein Jensen, CSO, Oddfjell Decarbonisation now : efficiency first; multiple fuels/tech—no single silver bullet. Regulation & level playing field : strong IMO rules to avoid “go-bankrupt green.” Holistic value chain : avoid offloading emissions…

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