# Episode #50 - Vijay Iyer & Wadada Leo Smith: Defiant Life

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Podcast: [ECM Records Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/ecm-records-podcast-3543241)
Published: 2025-03-23T00:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

In the 50th episode of the ECM podcast we're joined by Vijay Iyer and Wadada Leo Smith to speak about their second offering as a duo "Defiant Life", which follows their almost a decade old collaboration for ECM, 2016's "A Cosmic Rhythm With Each Stroke". Vijay and Wadada talk about the album's main themes: resistance, defiance, the art of the present and much more.

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