# Women Who Can’t Afford a Divorce Lawyer Can Fight Back with the Help of AI with Ana Lissansky (DW369)

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Podcast: [Dynamic Women®](https://stenobird.com/podcast/dynamic-women-17323)
Published: 2026-06-16T08:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://dynamic-women.captivate.fm/episode/women-who-cant-afford-a-divorce-lawyer-can-fight-back-with-the-help-of-ai-with-ana-lissansky-dw369
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## Resource

Are you a woman going through a divorce who can't afford a lawyer? Did you know you can use AI to help defend yourself? Listen in as our host, Diane Rolston, sits down with Ana Lissansky, founder of Alice in Legal Wonderland, a platform specifically built for the people the legal system has completely forgotten about. Diane met Ana at Web Summit when she boldly ran up and pitched herself, and the conversation that followed is one you need to hear. Listen to learn these key takeaways: The staggering reality of what a contested divorce actually costs and why most women in the disadvantaged position just give up and walk away from what they're entitled to Why Ana represented herself through a three-year process, including an 11-day trial and what gave her the confidence to do it The hallucination problem: why you can't just use ChatGPT for legal matters and what Ana built to solve it The legal strategy Ana used that most lawyers deliberately avoid and how it dramatically changed the shape of her trial The moment she corrected the judge three times in court and why having the right tools made that possible Why there are over 700 AI tools built for lawyers but barely a dozen for the people who actually need help most The "forgotten middle": who falls through the cracks of the legal system and why legal aid isn't the answer for most women What to say from day one of your case if you're using AI and how transparency actually protects you The simulation feature coming to Alice: how it will help you make informed decisions before spending years and thousands of dollars finding out the hard way Ana's final message about lawyers, judges, and the accountability gap nobody talks about Ana’s Bio: Ana Lissansky has always been an early adopter of technology. Recently, as a single mot…

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