# E405 - Movement Is Medicine: How an Ironman Faces Stage Four Cancer

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Podcast: [Dying to Tell You](https://stenobird.com/podcast/dying-to-tell-you-6678535)
Published: 2026-08-13T09:30:00+00:00
Episode link: https://dttypodcast.com/episodes/s4e405-jonathan
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## Resource

Jonathan Pascual is a lung transplant nurse practitioner and 16-time Ironman finisher who's spent years helping other people through the end of their lives. Now, three and a half years into his own terminal diagnosis, he's still training, still racing — including a finish at the Ironman World Championship in Kona. Movement is his medicine, and stoic philosophy is his compass. Join Cody for a conversation about clarity, defiance, and what it means to keep choosing to move, even when the rock keeps rolling back down.

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