# Sarah Paine — How Imperial Japan defeated Tsarist Russia & Qing China

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Published: 2025-07-25T17:06:52+00:00
Episode link: https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/sarah-paine-east-asia
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## Resource

After my last lecture series with Sarah Paine ended, I still had so many questions . I knew we’d only scratched the surface of Sarah’s scholarship, so I immediately invited her back for another series: she graciously agreed, and we’ll be releasing the results online over the coming weeks and months! This first lecture is focused on the balance of power in East Asia at the turn of the 20th century. Specifically, how did Japan (population 47M) defeat China (400M) and Russia (130M) to become Asia's dominant power? For me, the most interesting thing was that Japan's surprise attack on Port Arthur at the beginning of the Russo-Japanese War (1904) helps us understand why Japan might have thought Pearl Harbor would work. Watch on YouTube ; listen on Apple Podcasts or Spotify . Sponsors * Google’s Veo 3 helps us visualize the hypothetical scenarios that often come up during our interviews. Veo’s ability to generate both video and audio—all with incredible realism—makes it perfect for bringing our content to life. If you have a Google AI Pro or Ultra plan, you can try it in Gemini today by visiting gemini.google . * Hudson River Trading is one of the world's top quantitative trading firms. Responsible for around 15% of all U.S. equities trading volume, HRT powers their trades with cutting-edge deep learning models. Their in-house AI team does fundamental ML research and then applies it to some of the most competitive markets in the world. If you’re interested in joining them, you can learn more at hudsonrivertrading.com/dwarkesh . To sponsor a future episode, visit dwarkesh.com/advertise . Timestamps (00:00:00) – Japan’s Meiji reforms (00:14:44) – Trans-Siberian railway & Japan’s 3-year window for empire (00:29:58) – The most important battle in the Russo-Japanese war (00:48:38…

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