# DMA#38: India Ink, Insomnia, and Internet Thieves with Margreet DeHeer

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Published: 2026-04-13T20:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.newyorkcartoons.com/p/dma38-india-ink-insomnia-and-internet
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Margreet is a brilliant Dutch comic artist and the former Comics Laureate of the Netherlands. She spent three years acting as an ambassador for the medium, literally compiling guides to help teachers get graphic novels onto high school reading lists. She is also someone who intimately understands the frantic reality of a creative life. The Court Jesters & the Freedom Fighters Margreet and I talked about the bizarre cultural divide in cartooning. In Australia, people generally look at comic artists like we are overgrown toddlers playing with crayons. It is treated as a silly little hobby. But if you take a train to France or Belgium, comic artists are treated like absolute rock gods. I told her about a cartooning conference I went to in France called RIDEP. I was standing in a room with cartoonists from Tunisia, Sudan, and China. They had been exiled or forced into hiding for drawing anti-propaganda cartoons against dictatorial regimes. They were actual, literal freedom fighters. I draw jokes about talking dogs. I realised very quickly that I am more of a court jester. It was a profoundly humbling reality check. Making a living as an artist requires you to constantly ask people for money, which is something most cartoonists are fundamentally terrible at doing. Margreet is an expert in crowdfunding, having run multiple successful campaigns in Holland to bypass the traditional publishing gatekeepers. The Kickstarter Scam… But she recently got targeted by a very clever, highly sophisticated Kickstarter scam. Scammers will pledge a massive amount of money to your campaign just to get your attention. Then, they send a highly convincing email from a “notification bot,” claiming your account is suspended, and your money is frozen. They provide a link to steal your credentials.…

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