# Look Outside the Bush

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Podcast: [Dr. thOTs](https://stenobird.com/podcast/dr-thots-3629645)
Published: 2025-05-23T13:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dr-thots/episodes/Look-Outside-the-Bush-e334q01
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Duration seconds: 3046

## Resource

Whew, chile. This episode gets into the thick of it—the Dr. thOTs duo are back at it, peeling back the layers of identity, advocacy, and the messiness of inclusion. From classroom to community, they’re asking hard questions: Who gets to be included? Who should be excluded? Are we all just inside a bush? They kiki about critical pedagogy and managing discomfort while learning. You know these two love a good boundary! But even in research? Racial caucusing, coalition-building across difference, and, yes, occupation as a tool for liberation - you know they couldn't leave her out. Highlights include: Khalilah joining Michelle Obama in saying FAFO and Ryan deciding "clusion" is somehow a word.

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