# Hard Fun is More Fun

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Podcast: [Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families](https://stenobird.com/podcast/dr-justin-coulson-s-happy-families-49671)
Published: 2026-05-06T19:00:00+00:00
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What if the very thing we use to motivate kids is actually making them less motivated? New research from Harvard University reveals something surprising: when children play just for fun, they naturally seek challenge, take risks, and stretch themselves further. But the moment rewards, prizes, or competition enter the picture, kids start choosing the easiest possible path. In this fascinating Doctor’s Desk episode, Justin and Kylie unpack what this means for parenting, learning, sport, motivation, and raising resilient kids who actually enjoy hard things. If you’ve ever relied on sticker charts, rewards, bribery, or competition to encourage your child — this conversation may completely change the way you think about motivation. KEY POINTS Harvard researchers found kids seek harder challenges when rewards are removed Competition and prizes often reduce creativity, risk-taking, and persistence Children are naturally wired for growth and exploration “Hard fun” is often more rewarding than easy success Motivation increases when kids feel ownership and autonomy External rewards can shift focus away from learning and onto “getting the prize” Parents can encourage resilience by focusing less on outcomes and more on challenge QUOTE OF THE EPISODE “The more you remove rewards and say, ‘Let’s just do this because it’s fun,’ the more kids seek challenge.” RESOURCES MENTIONED Punished by Rewards  by Alfie Kohn Research published in Developmental Psychology ACTION STEPS FOR PARENTS Reduce reliance on rewards, bribes, and sticker charts Let kids experiment, explore, and challenge themselves without pressure Focus on effort, curiosity, and growth rather than winning Create opportunities for “hard…

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