# Ben Goertzel Wants to Build AGI Even FASTER — AI Doom Debate

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Podcast: [Doom Debates!](https://stenobird.com/podcast/doom-debates-6934136)
Published: 2026-05-19T17:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://lironshapira.substack.com/p/dr-ben-goertzel-vs-liron-shapira
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Dr. Ben Goertzel is a pioneering AI researcher, entrepreneur, and author who has helped organize AGI as a research field since the 2000s through books, workshops, and conferences. We talk about the early days of AGI research with Yudkowsky, get Ben’s timeline to the singularity, and I try to understand what makes him so optimistic that superintelligence will be beneficial for humanity. Timestamps 00:00:00 — Cold Open 00:00:59 — Introducing Dr. Ben Goertzel 00:04:11 — How Did Ben Get Interested in AGI? 00:08:26 — Early AGI Enthusiast Community: Extropians & SL4 00:15:15 — Is There Headroom Above Human Intelligence? 00:19:53 — Can Superintelligent AI Kill Everyone? 00:28:25 — Ben’s AGI Timeline: 2029 00:36:00 — What Modern AI Is Missing 00:42:01 — AGI to Superintelligence — FOOM in a Matter of Months 00:46:34 — What’s Your P(Doom)?™ 00:53:37 — Ben’s Case for AI Acceleration 01:03:50 — The Orthogonality Thesis Is “Dishonest” 01:13:43 — Liron: Moore’s Law for Goal Achievement 01:23:50 — Ben: Alignment Is Just Good Parenting 01:27:36 — Alignment in Practice: OmegaCLAW 01:35:47 — Creating Stable Goals Under Self-Modification 01:45:22 — SingularityNET, OpenBGI, and the ASI Alliance 01:57:31 — The $ASI Token Economy 02:01:15 — Closing Links Ben Goertzel on X — https://x.com/bengoertzel SingularityNET — https://singularitynet.io/ OpenBGI — https://openbgi.com/ Hyperon AGI Framework — https://hyperon.dev/ OmegaCLAW on GitHub — https://github.com/asi-alliance/OmegaClaw-Core ASI Alliance — https://superintelligence.io/ The Consciousness Explosion (book) — https://theconsciousnessexplosion.ai/ “The Singularity Institute’s Scary Idea (and Why I Don’t Buy It)” (2010) — http://multiverseaccordingtoben.blogspot.com/2010/10/singularity-institutes-scary-idea-and.html Ken Stanley Debate —…

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